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a_silver_storyAs many of you know I'm not well. As a result of this my little sister decided to send me some things to cheer me up - these things included some trading cards she got with Doctor Who Adventures magazine. The cards showed the scores for Jack, Ianto and Gwen as follows:
Capt. Jack Harkness:
Ianto Jones:
Gwen Cooper:
All things considered, and comparing her to such cards as The Doctor and The Master etc, this makes her one of the strongest cards in the deck - even stronger than Jack. In fact, a lot stronger than the Jack (the Jack they have chosen is specifically from episodes pre-CoE,[Utopia, TSOD and LOTL] before he was broken) Harkness card, and I've decided not to mention how she is miraculously outranking Ianto on both counts, even though he's proven to work the best under pressure while Gwen stamps her foot and flails (y'know ... before CoE I didn't mind Gwen - now I've somehow become a Gwen basher. I'm getting picky over kids' trading cards ffs ...).
I can't honestly see how they could grade Gwen Cooper as having a stronger defence than The Weeping Angels, either. I mean: okay, so you look at them and they turn to stone, but as the Doctor himself said, you can't kill a stone. Personally I see this as being a much stronger defence mechanism than anything PC Gwen Cooper has ever come up with.
And her Attack score is on par with Jack? WTF? I don't recall her ever coming up with a plan/improvisation/anything resembling an attack other than shouting. Okay, she was a bit 'kick-ass' in CoE, but I thought we agreed that never happened? And that was two blokes in a moving vehicle. Jack stood up to an entire army of Daleks - not to mention his lil trick with the warp star and constantly, actively thinking and doing something to help the situation. Gwen and Ianto sat down and had a nice chat for a few hours - yes they were in a time bubble, but if they could communicate with the outside world clearly somethings could get through, so why weren't they doing *anything* - since Gwen appointed herself as leader (and Ianto called her 'ma'am'. I hate that he called her 'ma'am'. I hope it made her feel OLD.) wouldn't it have been her job to give direction to the survivors? I mean ... sit there and do nothing? No testing the limits of the time bubble (not bursting it obviously) - finding how much of the hub is contained within it, or if it is just the cog door. What resources were available to them? I mean, I'm fairly certain they had the armoury (so why just the machine guns? bleh!)
Okay I'm cutting this short there. I'm sick, I've got pressure on my diaphragm, I've just found out cousins across the pond spell oestrogen 'estrogen', I'm still spewing green goo a la 456, and any second now I shall do as someone previously suggested and demand ten per cent of the BBC's head writers as a 'gift'.
I will then say the idea to harvest 10 per cent of anything while coughing up green goo was totally my idea, and any similarities you see with other works is totally coincidence or homage. Y'know ... because these days the only way you can properly pay a greater piece of work the respect it deserves is to completely rip off the premise and not credit the originator.
Yes, Russell. I'm looking at you. And this is not a look of approval.
... don't make me attack you with my Gwen Cooper card. She is one of the strongest in the pack, and will pwn pretty much anything you can throw at me. Yes ... even the Doctor, with his measly little Defence score of 82 ...
Capt. Jack Harkness:
Defence: 78
Attack: 82
Ianto Jones:
Defence: 84
Attack: 79
Gwen Cooper:
Defence: 85
Attack: 82
All things considered, and comparing her to such cards as The Doctor and The Master etc, this makes her one of the strongest cards in the deck - even stronger than Jack. In fact, a lot stronger than the Jack (the Jack they have chosen is specifically from episodes pre-CoE,[Utopia, TSOD and LOTL] before he was broken) Harkness card, and I've decided not to mention how she is miraculously outranking Ianto on both counts, even though he's proven to work the best under pressure while Gwen stamps her foot and flails (y'know ... before CoE I didn't mind Gwen - now I've somehow become a Gwen basher. I'm getting picky over kids' trading cards ffs ...).
I can't honestly see how they could grade Gwen Cooper as having a stronger defence than The Weeping Angels, either. I mean: okay, so you look at them and they turn to stone, but as the Doctor himself said, you can't kill a stone. Personally I see this as being a much stronger defence mechanism than anything PC Gwen Cooper has ever come up with.
And her Attack score is on par with Jack? WTF? I don't recall her ever coming up with a plan/improvisation/anything resembling an attack other than shouting. Okay, she was a bit 'kick-ass' in CoE, but I thought we agreed that never happened? And that was two blokes in a moving vehicle. Jack stood up to an entire army of Daleks - not to mention his lil trick with the warp star and constantly, actively thinking and doing something to help the situation. Gwen and Ianto sat down and had a nice chat for a few hours - yes they were in a time bubble, but if they could communicate with the outside world clearly somethings could get through, so why weren't they doing *anything* - since Gwen appointed herself as leader (and Ianto called her 'ma'am'. I hate that he called her 'ma'am'. I hope it made her feel OLD.) wouldn't it have been her job to give direction to the survivors? I mean ... sit there and do nothing? No testing the limits of the time bubble (not bursting it obviously) - finding how much of the hub is contained within it, or if it is just the cog door. What resources were available to them? I mean, I'm fairly certain they had the armoury (so why just the machine guns? bleh!)
Okay I'm cutting this short there. I'm sick, I've got pressure on my diaphragm, I've just found out cousins across the pond spell oestrogen 'estrogen', I'm still spewing green goo a la 456, and any second now I shall do as someone previously suggested and demand ten per cent of the BBC's head writers as a 'gift'.
I will then say the idea to harvest 10 per cent of anything while coughing up green goo was totally my idea, and any similarities you see with other works is totally coincidence or homage. Y'know ... because these days the only way you can properly pay a greater piece of work the respect it deserves is to completely rip off the premise and not credit the originator.
Yes, Russell. I'm looking at you. And this is not a look of approval.
... don't make me attack you with my Gwen Cooper card. She is one of the strongest in the pack, and will pwn pretty much anything you can throw at me. Yes ... even the Doctor, with his measly little Defence score of 82 ...
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Date: 2009-10-13 12:44 pm (UTC)If any female DW character should be high up then seriously, Donna would kick Gwen's arse up and down the street!
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Date: 2009-10-13 12:45 pm (UTC)SUPER!TEMP FTW!
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Date: 2009-10-13 12:53 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-13 01:36 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-13 12:47 pm (UTC)I can't take this seriously anymore as it's just bloody deluded.
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Date: 2009-10-13 12:54 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-13 12:48 pm (UTC)Yes, we spell it "estrogen" and pronounce it "eh-strogen," so I believe I speak for a lot of American fans when I was very confused when "ee-strogen" came out of Jack's American-accented mouth in the first episode, lol.
Feel better really really soon!
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Date: 2009-10-13 12:49 pm (UTC)I suppose you could call Gwen the strongest, if the definition of strong is prancing about in a leather jacket and waving a gun around. Not to mention getting yourself kidnapped about 302039 times in the process.
Ugh.
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Date: 2009-10-13 12:56 pm (UTC)Yes, this is very, very annoyingly real. GRRRAR.
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Date: 2009-10-13 01:06 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-13 05:54 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-13 01:12 pm (UTC)Yeah, Gwen IS the strongest, given that she's made of teflon and can't be killed. Ever.
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Date: 2009-10-13 01:16 pm (UTC)whhhhyyyyy... *headdesk*
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Date: 2009-10-13 01:45 pm (UTC)BTW - This side of the pond, we pronounce it "ESS-trogen. Why, we wonder, must you lot add an unnecessary letter and then pronounce it EES-trogen? And can anybody explain ur-EYE-nal? Everytime I hear that I have an olfactory flashback to accidentally walking into a public mens room. Does this mean you also say ur-INE? *shakes head and smirks* Silly English people.
Seriously, though, the green goop is no joke. Are you trying to cure this on the NHS? Our American ingenuity (or do I mean propaganda) indicates this will fail. Perhaps, just this once, we'll be wrong. Your mis-pronouncing minions in the New World pray for your speedy recovery.
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Date: 2009-10-13 01:54 pm (UTC)Yeah ... we invented the language ...
this side of the pond, we pronounce it "ESS-trogen. Why, we wonder, must you lot add an unnecessary letter and then pronounce it EES-trogen?
... because the Greeks invented the word, and we didn't want to marr it with a lazy accent? *shrugs*
Also, what makes you so certain we added an extra letter, rather than you taking one out? :-p
My I direct you to such spellings as "colour", "neighbour" and "favourite."
Then there's replacing 's' with a 'z'. "Realise" and "apologise" for example.
... don't get me started on "defence".
So really, if anyone's being uneccessary, it's the folksies across the pond with the drawl and lazy spelling system that are total language!fail.
^^^ all above said with love and gratitude ^^^
And yes, I am curing it on the NHS, because it clearly works, and you can tell your 'propaganda' spreading idiots that it's been tried and tested here - and worked- for over sixty years. In fact, if it wasn't for the NHS, our population would probably be significantly lower (which is both a good and a bad thing ...)
You really need an NHS. It would do any country the world of good.
^^ just read this whole comment back, and I sound really arsey. I don't intend to. Just read it again and use my favourite mental image of Owen Harper explaining something very, very serious to Tosh and Gwen while Jack and Ianto are behind him wearing nothing but tea-cosies, sticking out their tongues and doing a naked Can-Can.
Failing that, have a biscuit.
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Date: 2009-10-13 03:08 pm (UTC)I guess our wicked tongues and sense of humoUr must be similar enough that I very much get it, despite the occasional translation requirement.
Oh, and if you're now insisting on transliterating directly from the Greek, then I hope someone has plans to rename that magazine "the Oeconomist." (This IS, probably arsy, but I lived in Athens for two years, was forced to learn Greek, and found the experience scarring enough that I have to harvest these snarky little language zingers when I can. Can't help myself.)
BTW. If I do write a Donna-centric TW fic, I'm gonna need someone better than me to properly capture her vernacular. (Unless it's sufficient to just make sure I have her scream "Oi!" every other line.) Interested in beta-ing?
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Date: 2009-10-13 03:31 pm (UTC)*yawns in general direction at 'Oeconomist' joke*
And of course I'd be interested in beta'ing. I'm a bit busy with my own fics plus beta'ing a fairly epic one for everlongspace, but I'll be able to squeeze you in ASAP if that's what you want ;)
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Date: 2009-10-13 05:10 pm (UTC)As an NHS employee, I'd just like to step in here and say "OI!"
Cheeky. ;-p
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Date: 2009-10-13 05:13 pm (UTC)To yee, I owe my free asthma medication, my current steroids, amoxicillin and my grandma's lifetime supply of insulin.
All hail the NHS - a brilliant idea from the start!
... now if you'd just keep the hospitals clean .... ;)
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Date: 2009-10-13 05:20 pm (UTC)I'll be sure to pass this recommendation on to our domestics. Hopefully they won't flay me alive this time. :)
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Date: 2009-10-13 06:41 pm (UTC)I am a card-carrying member of the extreme pinko left. If this American Cold War era language is less than clear, I'm basically saying that I would give my eye teeth to get what we call "socialized medicine." I have actually ASKED my elected representative to RAISE my taxes to pay for education, health care and other social services. I believe that before we make America a place where some people have access to mind boggling wealth, we ought to make it a place where EVERYONE has his/her NEEDS met. Some of you may believe something else makes more sense, but as long as we agree that IANTO LIVES you'll always have a place in my heart.
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Date: 2009-10-13 06:57 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-13 08:14 pm (UTC)We'll always have the IANTO LIVES mentality bonding us together. :)
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Date: 2009-10-13 03:15 pm (UTC)Secondly I am getting throughly sick of being manipulated into thinking that Gwen is all wonderful and benevolant! This is going to make me think the complete opposite, I am contrary for a reason!!! If the next series of TW is the Gwen Cooper show, I will vote with my remote! Grrrr
Get well soon sweets, at least it's moving rather than staying on your chest!
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Date: 2009-10-13 03:33 pm (UTC)And yes, I shall Vote with my Remote if it does become the Gwen Cooper show. And my cash. And my complaints to the BBC.
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Date: 2009-10-13 05:08 pm (UTC)Yes, thanks, we got the fact that you want us to believe Gwen Cooper is supposedly indestructable already. There is a difference between us rejecting the fact you're pushing Gwen as such and being ignorant of said fact. Quit it already.
Poor Jack's character assassination is continuing in trading card form. It's an almost insulting rating, really.
I'd say Ianto's card is pretty accurate, though.
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Date: 2009-10-13 05:12 pm (UTC)He also works best under pressure.
As for attack ... did you *see* him kick arse in Meat? I wouldn't even make eyes at Jack if it meant Ianto was no longer on my side ...
But yes, his card is far more accurate than the other two. I'll give them that.
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Date: 2009-10-13 05:23 pm (UTC)KickArse!Ianto didn't come out to play nearly often enough, unfortunately. :(
But, yeah, pissing off Ianto Jones is not something I'd recommend doing. Unless you can set him off against some unsuspecting mug, then it's fair game.
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Date: 2009-10-13 05:53 pm (UTC)Gwen's expression is all "Hi, I'm awesum! *smugface*"
Jack's is like "WTF is this shit?"
And Ianto's is "I'm surrounded by idiots...can I go home now?" Seriously, if the card could move, it would roll its eyes.
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Date: 2009-10-13 06:03 pm (UTC)I sooooooo totally agree!! You ftw! :D *glomp*
Ms. Cooper is broken, INDEED.
Date: 2009-10-22 01:38 am (UTC)Re: Ms. Cooper is broken, INDEED.
Date: 2009-10-22 08:48 am (UTC)good question?
I think it depends on who's on the receiving end... =P *giggle*
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Date: 2009-10-13 06:02 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-13 06:52 pm (UTC)Ianto could beat Gwen in his sleep!
I HATE RTD!!!
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Date: 2009-10-14 04:06 am (UTC)