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WHAT. THE. FUCK?

Okay ... so I dunno ... but quite a few people seem to be wondering 'Why does Jack come back to Earth?'. Is it to make right all that he did wrong? Is it to finally face his past? Is it because he remembers he has a fucking duty down here?

No.

Oh no.

According to Starz Press Room, it runs so much more deeper than that. Yes - he returns to Earth for a reason so much more profound than anything we ever truly considered - nay, even pondered on.

Captain Jack Harkness returns to planet Earth, facing the depression and ghosts that haunt his every waking step and the 'graveyard' of his own making ... because of his 'unstated love for Gwen Cooper'.

Don't believe me?

Here you go:
http://www.starz.com/pressroom/TCASummer2010

It's in the character ~~assassination~~ bio for Jack, right under 'He's a slut, he's a slut, he's a slut', and just above 'Gwen is the ULTIMATE WARRIOR!!!!!!!!!!'.

Don't bother looking for a reference to Tosh, Owen or Ianto. 'His friends are dead' are all you're getting as far as continuation is concerned.

On the bright side, Gwen named her baby 'Anwen'. Awwww!

And Rex Matheson sounds like a total arse - and he's not even the paedophile.

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Oh My Fucking Gawd. I actually feel a bit sick. Seriously, if this is real, there is no way I'm watching that shit. I was honestly gunna give it a go, see what it was like. But I hated Gwen enough to begin with, let alone this fucking bollocks. As long as we still have communities for Jack and Ianto followers, I'll be happy.

EDIT: Just realised something else as I well; it's Ianto's birthday tomorrow... way to shit on his fictional grave!

Ok, I'm just speechless and sick. That is just too fucked up. :P

*chants to self "Janto... Janto... Janto"*

Nah, I like the name. I'm just in a weird mood. I'm glad they picked something nice & Welsh & didn't name the baby after dead team members. It's always a worry when RTD names children... David Davies, Tony Tyler...

I haven't read anything that's put me off really yet, there's some stuff that I've raised an eyebrow at, but in print things don't necessarily come off as well as they do on screen, so I'm happy to wait.

I think part of it is that they're trying to explain Jack & Gwen's characters to people who've never seen the show in such a short amount of space. I'm not reading much into the whole 'unstated love' thing because I think it's just one of those trying to pull in viewers things, make it out to be some sort of love story when it really probably isn't. And all the 'slut, slut, slut!' stuff too. It reads oddly to us because we know the characters and I think these are written more for new viewers, if you get me.

I don't know. Still very optimistic. And having seen Pillars of the Earth, which is a Starz show, and being very impressed by it, I'm expecting good things.

OH. MY. GOD.
and to repeat yourself, WHAT. THE. FUCK.

Forget it being the organisation to protect the human race... It's just there to protect bloody Gwen Cooper, isn't it?

Me and my friends are now going to sit until ungodly hours of the morning ranting about He Who Must Not Be Named and how entirely shit this is.

Yeah, I like the name, and yeah ... an man who comes up with names like 'David Davies', 'Tony Tyler' and 'Idris Hopper' should be very carefully watched on Character Naming Day ;)

Judging what NE might be like from other shows that are on Starz isn't necessarily indicative, though. Just because the BBC had Sherlock, Jonathan Creek, Life on Mars, Blackadder and The Vicar of Dibley doesn't mean The Deep was any good.

I am spurred on a little in confidence by the fact they managed to get Espensen, and I'm going to give at least the first episode of all subsequence series a chance, but ... gah. It's wearing on me now.

Especially the 'one plot over ten episodes' thing. Ten episodes for one story is a feat of attention I don't think any average viewer is capable of - I mean, look at FlashForward. By six episodes on the same plot, the viewership basically melted away. True, the writing for that is questionable ... but RTD is hardly good with science fiction plots.

I want him to move on from Sci Fi and go back to writing stuff like Casanova - y'know ... stuff he was good at.

Well, no, but there was a lot of talk when it was first announced about having it tied to an American network meaning that it would get stripped back no matter how much TPTB said that it wouldn't be. If Pillars of the Earth is anything to go by, they're not afraid to show more... I can't think of a word, but yeah, there is that reassurance there.

That is one thing that does make me raise eyebrows, ten episodes is a long time to maintain one plot, but with good writers it could work.

I don't think he's entirely horrendous at sci-fi, but I'm glad that you said that. What drives me insane is people who constantly say that he can't write and he's awful etc etc without having seen anything he's done apart from Doctor Who and Torchwood. Casanova & QAF were excellent!

Edited 2010-08-18 23:00 (UTC)

*head-desk*

These character bios read like they've been written by a 13 year old.

Glad I don't have Starz.

Yes, Casanova was excellent! QAFUK was all right, but I prefer the American version simply because the UK one made me cringe XD

I have Casanova on DVD - it's one of my favourite DVDs.

I do, however, find RTD's sci-fi writing horrendous. The plot holes are just ... the fact he's survived this long with a sci-fi fanbase is rather amazing. He'd never get away with the Face of Boe Mistake in Star Trek, or the Bad Science of CoE, or the complete lack of continuation in Buffy. And the character assassination! GAH.

*takes a breath*

I need to stop reading about A Whole New World. It's putting me off writing Janto slash >.

It's past midnight now so, Happy Birthday Ianto.
At least some of us still give a shit about you.

P.S - I loved your 'way to shit on his fictional grave.' Perfect way to word it. I salute you.

Especially the 'one plot over ten episodes' thing. Ten episodes for one story is a feat of attention I don't think any average viewer is capable of

Especially when it's (probably) going to be spread over ten weeks. COE had high ratings through the five nights because (IMO) it was just five consecutive nights. If people have a whole week to think about the crappy writing, instead of just 24 hours, I can't see as many sticking with it.

You must write this!!!

OH MY GOD!!!! What have they done. You would think after seeing the huge amount of support for Ianto and Janto that they would listen to the fans for a bit!!! But no! I can't believe this! I am completely turning my back on Torchwood. Supernatural is the new show for me. At least they listen to their fans and don't f*** us over. Seriously!

Ewwww, I think I'm going to be sick, they always make this new series worse, ewwww

So I guess this means my dream team of Ianto, Tosh and Lois Habiba is not going to happen. Hm. My disappointment knows no end.

My fear is that they will mention Ianto - in a way that new viewers will miss but will be the ultimate slap down to his fans. Like....someone asking Jack if he misses Ianto and Jack says, "Who?" Its going to happen, I just know it.

Love it! Jack is an American (huh?). Gwen with baby on her chest (nursing I presume, its cable after all), Rex (a name that should only be used for dogs not people) so uber-talented and yet he's a CIA nobody, and Rhys, sigh, it was good to know you. And sci-fi - for a sci-fi show, I'm not seeing a whole lot there.

Happy birthday Ianto - you are so much better in fan fic land protected by your loving admirers from the evil hack Rusty.

Edited 2010-08-19 01:15 (UTC)

Honestly, Silver, I am so literally sickened by this that I simply can't respond in any way other than, well, yeah. WTF.

Thank you for posting this. I'd been trying to stay reasonably objective about the new series and not say definitively that I will or won't watch, but this just swung me right over into the DO NOT WANT EVER side.

Okay, so I've been a lurker here for a while now, but I've signed up for the sole purpose of commenting after seeing this.
So, Jack is coming back because he loves Gwen, I thought he left because there's not enough left on Earth for him to stay. And if they wanted Jack with Gwen, why did they put Ianto and Rhys into the story, unless all they were meant to do was to die or get Gwen pregnant. Or, to make the Gwack even more 'likely', maybe they'll make little Anwen Jack's kid for some reason.
And, if Anwen is named after Ianto and Owen... anyone should know that putting those two together means big trouble, and to name your husband's child after someone you had an affair with! Doesn't Gwen have any sense? I like the name though, it's cool and cute.
And I agree with what one of the comments above said, it would be awesome if in the future Anwen runs off with Jack! But canon probably wouldn't let that happen, so I'm going to plead for a fic about this from someone.
If the next season is too much like a new show, without much mention of the characters who've died, I'm going to quit Torchwood, as much as I don't want to.
Don't like the Rex person much, but maybe he can run off with Gwen and leave the show. Why did they introduce him when Captain John is still on Earth and waiting?
Also, the world is going to hell again? Which favourite is going to die this time?
And lastly, Shanghai slums? Shanghai doesn't have slums, that's a special thing about Chinese cities, they don't have slums, when the city ends it's just the countryside!
Whoa long comment, now I've commented once I'll comment more, I love the fics here!

Photos of the slums in Shanghai:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/zinka/sets/72157614874181356/detail/

Slums don't have to be on the edge of a city.

Every thing I read about this new farce makes me feel just a little bit sadder and a little bit sicker. I keep remembering how they are all telling us not to worry, that they won't take any of the Torchwood-ness away from it, but then I remember how JB himself told us that Janto fans would be pleased with... you know, that thing that was on last Summer...and, well, we just weren't.

On another topic though, was that your letter in this issue of the Torchwood magazine, sighed simply 'Silver'? lol, loved it.

.. I did send a letter to TW mag, yes. I didn't know it got published!!!!!!!

Dammit ... might I have to actually buy another issue???

The more I hear about series 4 the more I seriously want to punch something. Seriously, I am so done with Torchwood as a show. I just can't put myself through it. I know that probably sounds overdramatic but I don't see why I should be loyal to a show that treats its fans so badly.
I'm sticking purely to fan fiction from now on.

Hmm, didn't know that, but on the photos the place was a village, where people have lived for a long time. Slums, like the ones in Brazil, are all relatively new. These places aren't inhabitable places where poor workers build their houses, but old, broken houses that people still live in but the government wants to pull down and build apartments on. But I suppose they could just film here.

but I don't see why I should be loyal to a show that treats its fans so badly

Word! I can watch shows that are full of plot holes. I can watch shows where some characters are killed off at random and others seem to be made of teflon.
What I won't watch is a show where the fans are consistently lied to and abused by the shows creators. I get that making a TV show is not a democratic process between the creators and the viewers, but if TPTB can't respect their audience (even while they're breaking their hearts), well, I'm done with them.

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