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WHAT. THE. FUCK?

Okay ... so I dunno ... but quite a few people seem to be wondering 'Why does Jack come back to Earth?'. Is it to make right all that he did wrong? Is it to finally face his past? Is it because he remembers he has a fucking duty down here?

No.

Oh no.

According to Starz Press Room, it runs so much more deeper than that. Yes - he returns to Earth for a reason so much more profound than anything we ever truly considered - nay, even pondered on.

Captain Jack Harkness returns to planet Earth, facing the depression and ghosts that haunt his every waking step and the 'graveyard' of his own making ... because of his 'unstated love for Gwen Cooper'.

Don't believe me?

Here you go:
http://www.starz.com/pressroom/TCASummer2010

It's in the character ~~assassination~~ bio for Jack, right under 'He's a slut, he's a slut, he's a slut', and just above 'Gwen is the ULTIMATE WARRIOR!!!!!!!!!!'.

Don't bother looking for a reference to Tosh, Owen or Ianto. 'His friends are dead' are all you're getting as far as continuation is concerned.

On the bright side, Gwen named her baby 'Anwen'. Awwww!

And Rex Matheson sounds like a total arse - and he's not even the paedophile.

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I'm really happy with the name 'Anwen', actually.

I tried to be open minded ... but the more I hear about it ... gah. I am going to watch the first episode or two, because I promised myself I would. But ... maybe I should just stop reading about it, because everything I read from the official pages is just a massive case of "and then ... it got worse ..."

And even if the descriptions do sound wonky, they're from the official site, with official authorisation out there for press to use. Maybe they're ... I dunno ... Gah. There we are! They're 'gah'. XD

Nah, I like the name. I'm just in a weird mood. I'm glad they picked something nice & Welsh & didn't name the baby after dead team members. It's always a worry when RTD names children... David Davies, Tony Tyler...

I haven't read anything that's put me off really yet, there's some stuff that I've raised an eyebrow at, but in print things don't necessarily come off as well as they do on screen, so I'm happy to wait.

I think part of it is that they're trying to explain Jack & Gwen's characters to people who've never seen the show in such a short amount of space. I'm not reading much into the whole 'unstated love' thing because I think it's just one of those trying to pull in viewers things, make it out to be some sort of love story when it really probably isn't. And all the 'slut, slut, slut!' stuff too. It reads oddly to us because we know the characters and I think these are written more for new viewers, if you get me.

I don't know. Still very optimistic. And having seen Pillars of the Earth, which is a Starz show, and being very impressed by it, I'm expecting good things.

Yeah, I like the name, and yeah ... an man who comes up with names like 'David Davies', 'Tony Tyler' and 'Idris Hopper' should be very carefully watched on Character Naming Day ;)

Judging what NE might be like from other shows that are on Starz isn't necessarily indicative, though. Just because the BBC had Sherlock, Jonathan Creek, Life on Mars, Blackadder and The Vicar of Dibley doesn't mean The Deep was any good.

I am spurred on a little in confidence by the fact they managed to get Espensen, and I'm going to give at least the first episode of all subsequence series a chance, but ... gah. It's wearing on me now.

Especially the 'one plot over ten episodes' thing. Ten episodes for one story is a feat of attention I don't think any average viewer is capable of - I mean, look at FlashForward. By six episodes on the same plot, the viewership basically melted away. True, the writing for that is questionable ... but RTD is hardly good with science fiction plots.

I want him to move on from Sci Fi and go back to writing stuff like Casanova - y'know ... stuff he was good at.

Well, no, but there was a lot of talk when it was first announced about having it tied to an American network meaning that it would get stripped back no matter how much TPTB said that it wouldn't be. If Pillars of the Earth is anything to go by, they're not afraid to show more... I can't think of a word, but yeah, there is that reassurance there.

That is one thing that does make me raise eyebrows, ten episodes is a long time to maintain one plot, but with good writers it could work.

I don't think he's entirely horrendous at sci-fi, but I'm glad that you said that. What drives me insane is people who constantly say that he can't write and he's awful etc etc without having seen anything he's done apart from Doctor Who and Torchwood. Casanova & QAF were excellent!

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Yes, Casanova was excellent! QAFUK was all right, but I prefer the American version simply because the UK one made me cringe XD

I have Casanova on DVD - it's one of my favourite DVDs.

I do, however, find RTD's sci-fi writing horrendous. The plot holes are just ... the fact he's survived this long with a sci-fi fanbase is rather amazing. He'd never get away with the Face of Boe Mistake in Star Trek, or the Bad Science of CoE, or the complete lack of continuation in Buffy. And the character assassination! GAH.

*takes a breath*

I need to stop reading about A Whole New World. It's putting me off writing Janto slash >.

Especially the 'one plot over ten episodes' thing. Ten episodes for one story is a feat of attention I don't think any average viewer is capable of

Especially when it's (probably) going to be spread over ten weeks. COE had high ratings through the five nights because (IMO) it was just five consecutive nights. If people have a whole week to think about the crappy writing, instead of just 24 hours, I can't see as many sticking with it.

COE had high ratings through the five nights because (IMO) it was just five consecutive nights. If people have a whole week to think about the crappy writing, instead of just 24 hours, I can't see as many sticking with it.

I agree. And that's probably the reason FlashForward didn't go all that well either, as mentioned above.

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