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So, you're trying to get over a bit of writers' block ... and then This Happens (only click if you have a strong stomach or think the idea of Torchwood hiring a Lovable Paedophile is a great move).

I suppose this should bring out my fighting spirit, and rekindle the fire so to speak, but it just depresses me to think that RTD would ruin his own show like this - and a show I loved. It's like he's trying to mess it all up.

[livejournal.com profile] kholran and I think that it's probably RTD getting bored of killing off likable characters, so in order to make Gwen the Ultimate Icon rather than the Flawed Character (FFS! AS A FLAWED CHARACTER, SHE'D WORK PERFECTLY! STOP TRYING TO SHOVE HER DOWN OUR THROATS AS AWESOME! *ahem*) he's just creating repulsive ones instead. Oh, and recycling Toshiko from Classic Torchwood with a new ethnic minority, and Mulder from a show that isn't even his.

Obviously, I praying it's a hoax, but TV Guide picked up the story so now I'm not so sure. It's so ridiculous, it might just be true.

So while Torchwood is, as I said, dead to me, that doesn't mean I want to stop writing just yet. Yes, I've got writers' block just as [livejournal.com profile] tw_bigbang posts their reminder that drafts are due in a month and I haven't updated for a fortnight and my entire fic file is at a standstill, but I'm not giving up on Jack and Ianto just yet. Things will get going again, no matter what RTD tries to do with this bastardized version of Torchwood.

I might send an email to the BBC asking if they would consider giving Torchwood to Super Moff.

N/B.: Wasn't 'Matherson' the name of GDL's character in Girl Number Nine? And making 'Jones' the paedophile? What's with that?

Date: 2010-07-15 01:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deathbymutation.livejournal.com
I'm going to watch the new season as a new show all together and think of Torchwood as only being two seasons.

Why aren't you on msn? :(

Date: 2010-07-15 01:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-silver-story.livejournal.com
When I try to write, I appear offline so as not to get distracted. It's not really been working, because other people are writing fic and I just end up reading it :(

Date: 2010-07-15 01:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deathbymutation.livejournal.com
I need a virtual hug via msn, I have a nasty cold and I've been banished to the basement since my grandma has a weak immune system :(

Date: 2010-07-15 01:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amuly.livejournal.com
UGGHHH. I hope this is a hoax. UGGHHHH.

But remember, just b/c the creator fucks with your favorite ship/show/everything, doesn't mean you have to give up on the fandom. Goodness knows JKR fucked over Sirius/Remus shippers with all the insanity/out of character-ness in the 6th and 7th books, but that sure doesn't mean we've stopped shipping.

(Hell, I may or may not have found evidence in the 7th book, *after Remus gets married to Tonks* that supports my ship. :P)

After all, terrible occurances like these are why fans invented AU.

*hugs and smooches*

Date: 2010-07-15 01:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kholran.livejournal.com

I sat through most of book 6 and 7 going "WAIT WHAT?". I'd be interested to hear your evidence to see if it's the same as mine ;)

Date: 2010-07-15 01:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amuly.livejournal.com
Ah. Well let me just direct you over to my insane pages upon pages of evidence and statistical analysis concerning the pairing...



No, seriously, there actually *is* statistical analysis at one point in there.

Date: 2010-07-15 01:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kholran.livejournal.com
I'm sure that Fox Mulder Gristle McThornbody Rex Matheson will be a quirky, somewhat odd FBI CIA agent who knows that THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE after the 456 tried to abduct his little sister.

Tosh 2.0 will have unrequited crushes on everyone because ANGST is FUN. And it'll make JACK angst because OMG she's SO MUCH LIKE TOSH *emo tear*

And the child-killing wasn't enough. Won't it be LULZY when Pedo Bear Jones makes jokes about stealing Gwen's baby!? Hey, that infant imprinting thing did WONDERS for Twilight!

So wait...where's the sci-fi part of this again?

Date: 2010-07-15 01:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-silver-story.livejournal.com
Love the icon. Definitely RTD's best angle.

Date: 2010-07-15 01:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] delennbr.livejournal.com
OMG! What he is planning in even worse than I imagined! Ewwwww

But I'm glad you're not giving up fics, because your fics are the only good thing I still have about Torchwood. I really love everything you write, specially if it's fluffy, fluffy makes me happy :D

I don't think I can help with your block, because I'm having the same with my vids... but in my case I think planning a wedding has something to do.

Date: 2010-07-15 02:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dr-is-in.livejournal.com
A couple of places are saying its a hoax. One link I put up on my journal says its a copy of the casting call for the US version of "Scoundrels", not Torchwood. My guess is someone got ahold of it, thought it would be fun to stir up the fans, made a few edits in photoshop and voila! Instant fanwank!

Date: 2010-07-15 02:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-silver-story.livejournal.com
God, I really, really hope so. I really, really, really hope so. REALLY HOPE SO.

Date: 2010-07-15 02:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dr-is-in.livejournal.com
Even if the people saying its a hoax don't have a backup for it, look at it closely. Theres too many nods to fandom stuff in there for it to be an actual casting call sheet.

And yes, Matheson was GDL's character. Rex is also the name of Tenant's character from the show NBC didn't pick up. And basically having 2 characters who are Tosh and Owen 2.0, and a pedo character named Jones as a thinly veiled slap at Ianto fans? I dislike RTD immensely, but even he is not that stupid. That and I don't think Julie and Starz would let him get away with it.

Date: 2010-07-15 02:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-silver-story.livejournal.com
I dislike RTD immensely, but even he is not that stupid.

That's what I've been saying to myself. Then someone reminds me of some huge plot hole or Bad Science, or something he said in an interview or a con ... and I start to wonder.

I do read the call and think '... that can't be real ...', so I shall go with my instincts for now, I suppose. But I am more than certain that Torchwood as I knew and loved it ceased production in 2007, and will most likely never return to those heights.

Date: 2010-07-15 02:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dr-is-in.livejournal.com
The Torchwood I knew and loved died at the end of season 2 with the death of Owen (and despite what people say, I talk to Burn, Owen's being written out came as a surprise but he made his peace with it once he became a zombie and there was nothing else you could do with the character...but it wasn't his choice to leave). I still can't watch "Exit Wounds" without sobbing. But yet I keep on watching the show because I love it at some level despite all its faults.

Date: 2010-07-15 02:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-silver-story.livejournal.com
I've seen 'Exit Wounds' three times, and it really wrenches my heart to watch it. JB mentioned his his book how surprised they all were when Tosh and Owen were killed off.

I didn't like CoE - I preferred Happy Campy Escapist Torchwood that didn't take itself seriously, not Character Destroying Srz Dramaz Avec Child Torture Torchwood. Nevertheless I shall watch the first episode of the new series, no matter what spoilers or pre-publicity might say. It might - just might, and that's a very BIG MIGHT - surprise us all and actually be good.

I don't know though - previous to CoE, RTD only wrote one episode of Torchwood, and to be honest I don't think he should have as much claim to it as he does. As far as I'm concerned the creation and development of the characters was more Chibnall than Davies, since Chibnall actually wrote them.

But legal is as legal does, and here we are. I shall give new Torchwood a chance and see how it goes, but I have ... doubts, let's say.

Date: 2010-07-15 02:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dr-is-in.livejournal.com
I am in the same boat. I'll watch it, but I am not having much hope, despite the fact that I want to. Mostly because I don't want to become attached to characters only to have RTD kill them off randomly for the sake of "serious drama".

But being in Starz, and them having a say in the show, may curb some of RTD's tendencies. Except for the character death. I've been watching their Spartacus show. Damn, they are killing people off left and right. The last ep I just watched had me in tears.

Date: 2010-07-15 02:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-silver-story.livejournal.com
I heard Spartacus has a lot of character death, so stayed away despite the men in very small clothes. XD

Mostly because I don't want to become attached to characters only to have RTD kill them off randomly for the sake of "serious drama".

Exxxxxxactly. I personally thought the drama would have been more serious had Ianto survived and had to witness what Jack had to do to save the world - would he stop it? Would he stand back and watch? Would he turn away from Jack or stand by him? Would he help them do it?

No. He just dropped down dead, because what with everything going on there simply wasn't enough drama to see us through the episode - and the one failsafe of every writer? The Common Misconception that Death Progresses the Narrative In a Dramatically Intrinsic Way.

Date: 2010-07-15 02:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dr-is-in.livejournal.com
Men in very small clothes? Try naked at least 50% of the time. And you don't just see shots from the rear. Theres one gladiator introduced about halfway thru...hung like a horse. I swear they saved money in the production budget by having people naked or half-naked most of the time. And for her age, Lucy Lawless looks freaking gorgeous naked. She's taken very good care of herself. I could do without seeing John Hannah naked and having sex though. If you get a chance, check it out, its actually a really smart drama. The character death is actually well placed in the story, seeing as its set at a gladiator school and about their lives.

Date: 2010-07-15 03:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-silver-story.livejournal.com
Hmmm. I'll give it a go when this series has finished so I can watch it all in one, I think. Especially if there's nekkidness.

Failing that, I'm sure someone will have screencapped it. Meticulously.

Mmmmmm: Lucy Lawlesssssssssssssss ...

I grew up on Xena. I adore Lucy Lawless - so I suppose as long as her character does die ... haha! I'm character biased based on the hotness of the actor already. It's me and Owen all over again!

Date: 2010-07-15 03:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dr-is-in.livejournal.com
Season 1 has ended. Its 13 eps. Season 2 was on hold while Andy Whitfield (who plays Spartacus) was going thru cancer treatment. Theres a 6 ep prequel about Lucretia and Batiatus (Lawless and Hannahs characters) thats going to air this summer. Both their characters are manipulative, power hungry people, but they are fascinating to watch. I find myself amazed by Johh Hannah, considering the only things I think I've ever seen him in was the Mummy movies with Brendan Fraser.

Date: 2010-07-15 11:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-silver-story.livejournal.com
Oh NOM. I suppose I could see me getting into that ... XD

Date: 2010-07-15 10:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] welsh-scotsman.livejournal.com
that is exactly what i thought! or to make it even more angsty/ dramatic etc why not have jack have to kill ianto's niece instead of his own grandson then you can have rhiannon in bits shouting at everyone left right and centre, jack in pieces and ianto not having a clue where his loyalties lay! i mean it'd be perfect, bit of crying, shouting etc lovely then they could have ended it with maybe ianto going away somewhere for a bit having been disowned by his sister who blames him and have jack on top of the building watching the boat leave or something then series 4 could've been ianto coming back and so on and so foorth and they'd even have an arc with ianto and jack having to build their relationship up! see, i sohlud write for torchwood:P

Date: 2010-07-15 02:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-silver-story.livejournal.com
Oh - and I SRSLY want some Bad Science to happen, and it turns out that Gwen's baby is an Owen Clone that Owen impregnated her with before he died (again).

Date: 2010-07-15 08:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] celstaredflower.livejournal.com
I really shouldn't have had a sip of water when I read that. My computer screen needed a good washing anyway.

Date: 2010-07-15 02:37 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] junoharkness.livejournal.com
thoes characters sound strangely familiar with their personalities.....i wonder who they can be?

well ill tell you! Its OWEN TOSH AND IANTO!!!!!

some guy who loves himself alot and doesnt care what you think of him. deffers owen.

then a beautiful and smart girl sitting the shadows in love with a guy that doesn't notice her. tosh did the exact same thing to owen. loved him and owen realised when it was to late!

then the beautiful welsh name that captain jack loves to say in his american accent, Jones, Ianto, Jones. of course the pedophiles first name isnt ianto. he shares the last name of everyones favorite character from the show. IANTO JONES!!!! the one we spent years saving from becoming a zombie and getting killed off in the first two seasons. and who only died a year ago!!!!

Get rid of those fucking characters and bring us back the ones we want! Ianto, Tosh and Owen. this is sci-fi people its not that hard! i'll even give you a very easy idea COE was all a dream!

Give us what we want!!!!

Sowwi rant over and i ddo realise your not russel

Date: 2010-07-15 03:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amuly.livejournal.com
Okay, I have to double-comment on this. Sorry, silver.

The more this whole idea stews in my brain, the more pissed off I get. I mean, they want to portray the pedophile as...as what? As something that isn't an absolute monster? As something we can laugh with, or feel sympathy for? No. No. That is... this is morally reprehensible, it really is. I mean, what the fuck RTD? What the fuck?

He goes around and does these things like shows that are all for advocating gay rights, and condom usage, and AIDs awareness, and just...he goes and does this? I mean, I didn't really have a *huge* amount of respect for him, but I think he *has* done something for the gay movement. And now...fucking pedophiles? Are you serious? I mean, just...

Ugh! It's just absolutely sickening, is what that is. It's wrong. Wrong.

Okay, sorry, I'm going back to filing.

Date: 2010-07-15 03:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shelbynm.livejournal.com
The more and more that I hear about S4 I am getting closer and closer to not even giving it a chance like I have always told myself I would.

Date: 2010-07-15 03:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosy5000.livejournal.com
That just has me so baffled and going WTF??? Seriously, who thinks adding a muderous pedophile to a show makes it better? My mom's never watched TW and I told her about that and she was just like "Ooooh Kay???" MAKES NO SENSE!!

This is why you definitely need to keep writing. Keep Jack and Ianto living like they should be and like the fans deserve. ;) *hugs*

Date: 2010-07-15 05:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] crackferret.livejournal.com
Would like to post hearty agreement. :D I'm totally new to this blog, and I am loving the blog!

And yes, I'm pretty WTF as well. :: sigh ::

Date: 2010-07-15 04:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alt_universe_me.livejournal.com
Hey, if I can retcon myself so that CoE never happened, I can retcon this too.
And of course Ianto and Jack will have to live forever in fic. Don't give up on them--they're our boys!
After all, if people still write ten/rose fic even though ten and rose haven't really been on the same show since 3 seasons ago, I'm sure we can still write Jack/Ianto for a long time coming. Also, I'm pretty sure the cast list thing must be a joke or a fake. It has to be. Right?

R.I.P Torchwood

Date: 2010-07-15 04:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] janto-forever81.livejournal.com
you are right RTD finally killed torchwood. i don't want Ianto back in this freak show. he is better of in fiction keep writing

Date: 2010-07-15 05:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nevercheshire.livejournal.com
I don't think this casting thing can possibly be true, but I have to pop here anyway and say I'm sorry its upset you so. Your writing is a huge part of what Torchwood is to me .... There was so much potential story to tell and I'm just happy and fortunate there are gifted writers like you willing to explore the stories.

Date: 2010-07-15 07:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] squirrelytonks.livejournal.com
guuuuhhhh... and again guuuuhhhhhh...

i really hope that this isn't real....

*has itching desire to strangle RTD*

Date: 2010-07-15 07:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] griza.livejournal.com

It's not true! It's fake!

Date: 2010-07-15 05:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] magicmalcolm.livejournal.com
A US version of Shameless? That is also a terrible idea.

...it's funny, but the characters mentioned in that casting call barely make more sense for US-Shameless than they would have done for US-Torchwood.


Date: 2010-07-15 07:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] magicmalcolm.livejournal.com
What The Crap?

Seriously, if that's not a fake then that all sounds like a horrible idea and should be scrapped with extreme prejudice. Turning Torchwood into the X-Files just doesn't do it for me.

I wonder if there will be any sci-fi elements at all in GnuTorchwood? Wouldn't surprise me if that element got nixed completely in favour of EXPLOSIONS AND DRAMA. Turning Torchwood into 24 also doesn't do it for me, by the way.

Do Not Want.

Date: 2010-07-15 07:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] i-own-ianto.livejournal.com
Maybe RTD just has to be a bitch to Ianto's character because GDL is awesome and sexy and sweet and everybody loved him.
Also...WTF is with the Owen character/ CIA thing? I'm sorry but he sounds like a tool.
I feel quite sorry for the actors who get these parts because everyone is going to hate them just because we hate the show.
Stupid RTD! haven't you heard the phrase "Let the dead lie" ? Apparently not - you had to dig them up and then humiliate them by dancing a jig or something.
Ok, sorry, rant over now.


Date: 2010-07-15 12:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] applesaucetraum.livejournal.com
Well I'm having a fantabulous day! First I read this and then I have to go to the dentists. ¬¬
I really really hope that this is some troll's idea of a joke. Cause there was a slightly similar thing on April fools...
...July fools??

Date: 2010-07-15 06:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 1mercystreet.livejournal.com
Wait, WHAT?

Let this be a hoax. Please in the name of Saint Ianto let this be a hoax.

Date: 2010-07-15 08:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] celstaredflower.livejournal.com
I once saw a con panel where someone had found out a spoiler for Ianto's death and asked him about it. I think this is deliberate (and that's why all these sites have exact same information); they're trying to prevent spoilers like that from happening by throwing all of this false info out there.

When in doubt, create a conspiracy theory

Date: 2010-07-15 09:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yantoharkness.livejournal.com
I hadn't picked up on the Matherson until a friend of mine spoted it that is what makes me think it's a hoax or some one having a joke and trying to make the fans think it's a hint at gareths return but no one seems to be falling for it

Date: 2010-07-16 02:23 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] space-monkey52.livejournal.com
See, I really hope this is a hoax, or the writers have seriously hit an all time new low. A pedophile?! Really?!

I really hope this is all bullshit.

Date: 2010-07-17 03:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] syikana.livejournal.com
Okay I love your blog and have absolute love for your stories (which is why I decided to add you :-) )

Yet with this I really am hoping it's a hoax. Because seriously? These characters are just plain.... eeeh I think RTD has had enough of Torchwood and is destroying it so he can work on shows with the US.

However personally I don't think RTD actually liked Ianto from the start (although who couldn't like Yan is just plain silly *huggles Ianto*) because he was originally going to kill him off in Cyberwoman and then he was going to be the one in Reset before they decided on Owen.... and I don't know I just think he needed a reason too.

But putting rant aside.... Torchwood will always be season one and two. Children of Earth does not exist for me.

Date: 2010-07-20 10:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] msemmaloo.livejournal.com
I agree that RTD didn't like Ianto -- and I think what really set him off is that fans were swooning over him (and Jack and him) rather than his own personal Ms. Snow White. I truly believe that's the real reason he killed Ianto -- to get back at fans for not falling in line with loving the witch and to get rid of the competition for Jack's interest.

I can't even begin to tell you how much I hate RTD.

Date: 2010-07-29 12:03 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Oi, this is an excellent reason to KEEP WRITING! Just keep those alternatives to very, erm, unsatisfying canon coming.

Here's to hoping Owen 2.0, Tosh 2.0, Tosh/Owen UST 2.0 and the pedo don't happen.

RTD...For some reason I never much liked his later DW or TW season finales, they've too much grandstanding. To be very, very honest with you, I like Steven Moffat's DW season 5 finale, with all its cleverness and timey-wimey puzzles much better.


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